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The two plus years I have worked as an Ocean Master have been incredibly fulfilling. Not only have I been able to engage myself in a wonderfully dynamic and active game, I have wonderful co-workers and have met many creative and enthusiastic players. Without a doubt, this is the best job I have ever had.

With that said, not everything we Ocean Masters do is all fun and games. At times, the work can be trying and even a bit annoying. The times I have had to try and patiently explain a concept to a player through a difficult language barrier are ones I do not look forward to. But they come part and parcel with the ability to run events and oversee the efforts of the GCPP.

Some of the least fun times come when we have to essentially tell a person that they are no longer welcome in our game. As much as it may seem otherwise, we do not look forward to banning players. Indeed, from a business perspective, it is an action that seems immediately wrong. Players are our customer base and our livelihood. While my job may be much easier if I never had to deal with players, it would also not exist as a job.

At its core, the decision to ban is one where we weigh the potential benefit from a player to continue playing against the potential detriment for the same. You can consider this as a balance between the positive and negative contributions the player has to the community and game as a whole. Some players do very well to encourage others to have fun with them. Other players are quite divisive and difficult to get along with.

Simply being controversial and argumentative is not enough. We do like to encourage competition between players. Preferably good-natured competition, but it is often difficult to control such a line. But even so, we have rules to provide guidelines for what is or is not acceptable. If you cross a line, we will issue a warning. Cross one too far or too often, and we must regretfully show the player the door.

Sometimes, after a ban, we will be questioned. This can be a question of the nature of the infraction that led to the ban. A few times, we get the question of the appropriateness of the ban. In the case of a rules interpretation, this is usually not difficult, but may lead to some lively debates on the forums.

The strangest, to me, response is one that brings in the character of the banned player. If I may create a fictional argument: "Why was Beardedpirate banned? He is just playing a character in a game who likes to start fights. If you knew him in real life you would know that he is not like that at all. He is really just a nice guy and would not harm a fly."

Whether an unfortunate accident of geography or not, we do not know most players in real life. As such, we really cannot consider their character as such because it has no bearing on the game. If you choose to play a character who breaks the rules, then we must only consider the rule breakage in our decision. How accurate or not that is to your actual demeanor is irrelevant.

Consider two hypothetical players. The first is Mahatma Gandhi. He was a wonderful person, but if he played Puzzle Pirates in a manner inappropriate for the game environment, we would have to ban him, even if he did so as a conscious decision to escape his every day life.

The second player is Attila the Hun, among the more notorious and despicable historical figures. Even if he were a war-loving player, he would be allowed to play as long as possible provided he followed the rules. This is true regardless of how he may conduct himself outside of the game.

Our decision to ban Ghandi would likely be quite controversial, especially if players knew that Attila was allowed to continue playing, but the first broke the rules despite warnings while the second followed the guidelines we have established. Within the context of Puzzle Pirates, that is all we can consider.

Posted by Bia in General | May 18, 2007 | 81 Comments | permalink

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Posted by Shinrai

The sad part of this sort of thing are the masses of people who probably reject this sort of argument outright. "Well, I like him, so that means he couldn't have done anything wrong!"

As for the rest of us, well, I say keep up the good work.

May 18, 2007 at 08:00 AM PDT | permalink

Posted by Sagacious

I know the developers probably do not like to dedicate much if any time towards mechanisms relating to the banning of players, but I think what's really needed is a 'banned from game, banned from forum' system. It's well known amongst regular 'forumers' that pleading a ban on the forum is a)Ineffective, in that it's clear OMs only deal with bans via email, and b)Often starts repetitive, pointless threads on the forum that sometimes generates bad discussion. The ban system doesn't allow new accounts to be used in game, that should be likewise on the forums.

May 18, 2007 at 10:55 AM PDT | permalink

Posted by Crooktooth

That first paragraph had me totaly thinking you were quitting. Way to scare a swab, ye wee tart!

May 18, 2007 at 12:07 PM PDT | permalink

Posted by Elizabeth Fong

It's trivially easy to check the OOO banned flag when checking to see whether an account is forumbanned. However, I don't think this is the right approach as there are several players who are not welcome in-game, but do not detract from the smooth operation of the forums. It's really very little effort to ignore or lock-sink the banpleaders and/or point them to the banpleading sticky; additionally, we have the rule that discussing a ban on the forums can negatively impact your banplead, and those few who make a nuisance of themselves can be forumbanned.

May 18, 2007 at 12:48 PM PDT | permalink

Posted by FellSloop

I am sure the OM's job is not easy task nor will it ever be no matter what the situation may be. It takes alot of "patience" to do what the job requires you to do even if it means banning the most popular person everyone says how nice they are in real life. We are all human & indeed have our bad days & sometimes that bad day can be the day we lash out playing ANY online game. We all have had that bad day including our online friends.
When a decision has to be made indeed it can be a hard choice, I know been there done that many times. As I understand 3 Rings does have the options for people to get unbanned providing they follow the steps required & explain precisley the situation & why they feel their being banned was unjust.
Lastly, I can understand how explaining/communucation can be very difficult to anyone. I never realized that until I started playing online games long ago & I was quite surprised how common expressions can mean so many different things.

Bloke...Ok i give up where did this come from, lol

May 22, 2007 at 02:00 PM PDT | permalink

Posted by jjhhii of hunter ocean

um i got banned for selling a runescape account and i dident kno that it was ilegal and i spent almost all day on puzzle pirates i have been banned b4 but i usualy dident do anything my i sold my bunk bed 2 someone its old and he wanted his money back and he reported me now that dont make sence since he clicked accept and he could of viewed it so please i beg can u somehow get me unbanned!!!

June 16, 2007 at 03:06 PM PDT | permalink

Posted by Sparrowback, ex Senior Officer of the crew Majestics

Wouldn't it be grand if everyone just got their ban lifted? People would rejoice and think of how mercyful OOO is. I am sure that those individuals have learnt their lesson and will not do anything stupid again. Not only that but i reckon that there will be more subscriptions and therefore more profit. For the good of the game please untaint all persons.

P.S.
If your captain steals from your ship can you take stuff off his ship because he refused to give back the money? If so, i should be untainted.

July 18, 2007 at 03:34 AM PDT | permalink

Posted by Rebecca

My accoutn recently got banned for stealing something, i got banned but the other pirate that i stole from had recently scammed me of all my poe. i had reported him to an Ocean master but they didnt do anything about it. Please can you tell me the ban pleading email address to ask for it back.

July 28, 2007 at 11:13 AM PDT | permalink

Posted by rustywizard

i got banned for arguing with another player because he was being racist i did not know how to report at the time tho i had only started the game since. and i would like to play the game again since my friends say there has been a good update. you could make your game better by giving people another chance not by banning them on the first duel.

December 27, 2007 at 11:48 AM PST | permalink

Posted by Liam

Me and my friend were both playing on puzzle pirates, i invited him to my house and i let him logon his account on my computer. he just found out he was banned i told him "bad luck" and decided to go on mine. It didnt work because now it's associated with a banned account. Now technically i'm banned for inviting my friend over! I think its ok to ban an IP but banning a computer for just attempting to log onto a banned account is the thickest thing ever. EVER.

January 30, 2008 at 01:38 PM PST | permalink

Posted by mukesh gupta

i just wanna say that yesterday i was playing puzzle pirates......suddenly a trade request followed by an invitation to spwank's shack came. i accepted the invitation, and the trade request. in the trade, i traded a red coloured sofa with 5 crates,2 bedrolls, and a long sword. suddenly i got a message from spwank and he said, "if i ban someone, then his whole booty would be given to me." and then he told me, that i m going to be banned in 1 minute. and i logged off and logged on again and found that my account was permamently banned. and it said that i theft in trade.

now you tell what should i do to regain my account......
also, my username is cool_mukesh, and my ocean was viridian.....

please help me.....otherwise one day, all the good players would be banned and the bad and stealers would be playing this game....

January 31, 2008 at 01:17 AM PST | permalink

Posted by Dylan

I got banned for stealing my own money. I was living in a house with a roomate I had deposited 30k to the safe and after the log was long gone that i had deposited it i took it out and lost it on poker...she was saving MY MONEY to buy a war brig. and reported me for this...Now my computer is tainted and i have play in a year and a half. Can my ban just please be lifted? we should all get a second chance

February 01, 2008 at 09:37 PM PST | permalink

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February 18, 2008 at 12:13 PM PST | permalink

Posted by Haldir

I got banned and...i didn't even do the thing... my friend logged onto to my account to check it out, and he said something stupid and un appropriate, and then i logged on the next day and it said "your computer has been tainted with a ban" Now I haven't played in 3 YEARS!!! please let me and everyone else get another chance at the game... please

March 10, 2008 at 05:04 PM PDT | permalink

Posted by understood

i got banned aswell, just like so many people here, i've noticed ever since my ban that... i'll regre to say this but i have to, OM's do not care for the banee's plead and simply ignore them... if you don't believe me, just look at yourself the next time to ban a person, the person will be saying they didn't do anything wrong, they might have and even if they have they're pretty sure not to do it again, banning is an important part of the game, scaring people straight that is. but i believe half the people that are banned, don't really deserve that kind of punishment.

March 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM PDT | permalink

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Posted by poker

ok i was banned because my tailor manager stole stuff and sold them to me. I did not know they were stolen so i got banned that is the stupidest thing in the world. I had 1.3m in cash too my username was jkidd and i was in hunter ocean. Thats pathetic.

April 16, 2008 at 12:12 PM PDT | permalink

Posted by james

I've been banned for about a year now and I was having the time of my life playing puzzle pirates and then one day i tried to log on and it said that my computer was tainted and i don't remember doing anything wtong plz help!!!...

May 30, 2008 at 07:16 AM PDT | permalink

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Posted by Hellsmoke

I too got banned, my not so bright sister was running a bilger bot on my system and got busted. It didn't matter that until then I didn't even know what botting was, my system is still infected by whatever they use to " taint " them with.

Formerly Hellsmoke on Viridian, Hunter and Cobalt.

March 27, 2009 at 03:17 AM PDT | permalink

Posted by chris thomas

I know where your all coming from,
I appealing for my account to be unbanned and havn't yet recieved a email with the answer.
However,
I presume that they should set up a chance meter for banned people to appeal to.
If they didn't do something to serious then there account will be tained with a strike saying that they recieved a warning.
However,
If the staff think that we've learnt from our mistake they should unban us- and tain our account with a "LAST CHANCE" strike.
And if they do something wrong there account is auto removed from the game!!!!!

July 15, 2009 at 06:38 AM PDT | permalink

Posted by Northernboy

Sometimes I wonder about the legitimacy of bans within games. Games like PP just BAN without listening to any possible explanations at all. I bought dubs and had them taken away, it wasn't even me who breached the TOS but it was my Older Bro using a bilge bot when he came back from the States. They banned the account without any explanation and the dubs I bought were gone.

The legality of these games to ban you WITHOUT a refund is extremely questionable. When you purchase something the SELLER in this case OOO is explicitly stating that you will get a certain amount of goods in this case doubloons for a certain amount of real money. Therefore if your banned, OOO should refund your money. This my friends is called a breach of contract since the transfer of goods is an implied contract. The gaming industry and their ban happy administrators should fear me, one I finish this letter to my local member of parliament!

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